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A list of the whereabouts of every known copy of Sordide Sentimental SS33002, featuring Joy Division's Atmosphere/Dead Souls and a colour booklet with an essay.

There were 1,578 of these issued, with all genuine entries numbered. See http://www.joydiv.org/S5.htm for more information, including how to spot fakes. There's also a JD Central thread with lots of discussion about additional ones that pop up which I use to populate this listing, here: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/1578-sordide-sentimental-2640372

As you can see, I have quite a long way to go! But with about 230 copies trainspotted, I'm getting there. Please email updates AT new-order DOT net if you have some you want to add or alert me to.

If this is true, somehow it ended up on eBay 2012-03-25 'suenal2004' GBP 490: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-7VINYL-/251022528966?clk_rvr_id=407038890973&nma=true&si=ytRvozXBda57mjC4X8CEOhafv1I%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (note: no pic with number)

"Joy Division Atmosphere/Dead Souls 7" Original Pressing 1578 Copies Pressed, all the Inserts Signed Twice by Peter Hook. The Lowest Number I believe has ever been listed on Ebay...No 16, even Hooky asked me where I got it from. Signed by Hooky at the Urbis in Manchester during Hacienda Display and again at the Arches in Glasgow during his Hacienda Book Tour." Reported as being on sale again on 2021-10-24.

NB. I had always thought that possibly the first 20 or so numbered copies would have been sent to the Band and Manager (etc) so it was nice to read about some other early numbered copies.."

Hello,

Good evening every body here and sorry for my english language, i m french[

I have a copy of the 7" Licht und blindheit, number 000027. complete and like new (no plastic bag)

For his history, i bought it in 1991 i think. It was in a little records shop in Paris.

A this time i gone to all the new records shops, hoping to find collectors and good records for good prices.

In this shop the guy said to me "you look for JD records", Oh Yess! Ok i 've a rare record here and he shown to me a virgin copy of L U B.

He said that he obtain it directly by JP Turmel, there is all the Sordide sentimental records in this shop, all news and perhaps not only one copy of each???

I return at home and i phone to him the evening "please keep the Licht und blindheit for me, i come tomorrow morning and i buy it"...

Before to go to my work, i go to buy it, a fantastic day, i was 23 years old and it was one of my first collector item.

I paid it 450 FF ( 90 euros).

Now i go to PH live shows with my daughters, one of her is 23 years old.

Life is strange sometimes

"I am the first and only owner of this item. I bought it from France by mail when it was released, in 1979 and it has basically been laying on the shelf since then.

This single plays at 33 rpm, not 45 rpm. It's basically in the same condition as it was when I received it. Singles pressing quality is never brilliant but this one is clearly better than most. As far as I can remember the few times it was played it was played on my Linn Axis with a Linn K9 cartridge. I very much doubt there is another copy in such good condition. If you're really serious about this, I can digitalize it and send a very compressed mp3 by e-mail, so that you can check the condition of the record - you'll be amazed."

Owner is in Portugal.

Was reauctioned in early August 2009, went for GBP 686.00, and bought by slumpy [JDC]. See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sordide-Sentimental-39-Joy-Division-Rare-7_W0QQitemZ290336313542QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item43996490c6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 [URL invalid]

Unsold, so relisted on eBay (same price, CND 1500) 2017-11-01.

Noted by "RiotNrrrd":

"... also comes with the rare Sordide Sentimental bag for the cover that came with the first 100 copies or so"

Am I the only one that smells a rat? I've never heard of any originals coming with that bag, much less "the first 100 copies or so".

"Cover: Excellent Plus (EX+). Nice except for usual bends on left and right in the middle portion of the back of the triptych cover from two sides of the 45rpm, which happened to almost every copy because of the original packaging. See photos."

Given the photos, no way is that "EX+".

There is some discussion starting here about bags: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1326682935&postcount=481&forum=21830 I concur with 'streptile' that while some early 80s copies could have shipped with SS bags, these were likely not with the records originally and were only added after-the-fact once collectors believed these were enhance the value of their offering.

Pictures are here: http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/0066/

"Comes with the letter from the dealer in Rouen, France dated 7/12/84 that he wrote to me when I bought the item."

Relisted, ending in 2013-10-13, GBP 575 (seller: 'thebishopstable'): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-ORIGINAL-/161120292356?clk_rvr_id=541941667021

Missing vinyl, but perhaps it can be paired with this: https://www.ebay.de/itm/354416025662

He had previously thought his copy was 0129, but in fact it's 0123 (this).

        "Relecutant sale.  Totally authentic. More pictures available as required.  Please note that a key sign of its authenticty is the fact that the glue used on the inner plastic sleeve has turned brown due to age."
        Sold again by toys_and_collectables_2005 in September 2007, and after that at the end of April 2001:  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-1980-France/114659785570

Also, this: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/lwtua/vpost?id=261287&trail=60 (see entry for 0123)

The comment from https://www.discogs.com/master/view/54032 "I was given this in 1980 (number 134) by a friend who was going off to Poona to pray with Bhagwan. All the inserts are present and correct and it's 'near mint', I would say. Any advice as to where to sell it?" (2019-12-08)

"The individual whom I bought this from in France knows J.P. Turmel and it was hand delivered to his shop by him back in the day." Auctioned twice.

"I still have 184 of 1578, bought on or close to release at Rough Trade. Also got a handful of floppy 7" Incubation/Konokino from the counter at Rough Trade, though only 3 left as I gave the rest away to friends. Also have Ideal for Living EP. Good days..."

"Sordide Sentimental 7" Number 000190 with Translation Advertisement Fold Out Booklet and the Rare Packaging that came with the record (most bags have been lost, this is the Complete Sordide Package, very,very RARE)

Signed by Peter Hook at the Urbis night with Paul Morley 06/09/07 "

"Original first pressing vinyl with all inserts in tact. Plus a unique original hand written letter from founder member Yves Von Bontee on letter headed paper written in German...ending @Time is short....Your Friend Yves Von Bontee!!"

"Hi all. I have number 300 - bought from Reckless records on 11th May 1994 for £73.00 (i still have the receipt)!"

Was subsequently relisted, eBay 2013-03-06 See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-100-ORIGINAL-AND-RARE-NO-RESERVE-/130857117466?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123&clk_rvr_id=480702454991

And again in mid-June 2021, for 945 GBP.

[0304] - eBay 2009-03-20 GBP 600 (Great Britain). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-Sordide-Sentimental/280322446650.html

Put for sale again on 2010-1130 for GBP 675 See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180594730552&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 update: bought by fbz (JDC).

This now spotted as part of an Omega Audition GBP 550. https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-79---joy-division---sordide-sentimental-atmosphere-licht-und-blindheit-original-copy-ss-33-002/?lot=7002&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=30&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=48&pn=2&g=1

"THIS IS A GUARANTEED ORIGINAL FROM A PRIVATE COLLECTION BOUGHT IN FRANCE AND POSSIBLY NEVER PLAYED APART FROM RECENT PLAY TO TEST THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES AND IT PLAYS PERFECTLY."

"atmosphere / dead souls sordide sentimentale ss33002 fold out pack is ex, translation sheet is vg, advertissment is ex disc is mint. copie no. 335 of 1578". Owned by Musars (http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240) (without bag)

Thought I would own up to owning 336. Given to me as a present in 1981 - it was bought in, I think, in PlasticFactory in Oasis Birmingham for £20. It is missing the translation and has a small tear on the cover.

It's claim to fame is that it was borrowed by my English teacher who was going out with a member of ACR at the time and they had never seen one! My reward was a copy of their first single, plus Flight 12" :-)"

"I own #342. Bought it back around 1986/7 from a german record dealer for 430 Deutschmarks. Pretty much in those times, 40 hours of work or so... Played it once to see if there are any scratches. There aren't. Copy is in near mint condition, complete with all inserts, but came without plastic bag. Later I bought another copy for a friend of mine in Plastic Passion on Portobello Road. for 100 GBP. That copy came WITH a plastic bag. Guess what I did..."

"Came across your page...I have copy number 349, bought it on e-bay many years ago, but never kept any details unfortunately. Came with a hand written note from JP Turmel on a Sordide Sentimental order form that had a list of pressings at the time. Note says 'Sorry for the delay, JP Turmel'."

'Dillettante' had this to say (JDC): "I see 381 was unsold on fleabuy earlier this year with a very high start price. Seller in Waltham Cross which is only a few miles from Walthamstow, so another assumedly bought from Small Wonder's batch."

Resold on Discogs by 'MostlyVinyl' for GBP 950. See: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/234884988

"Slight wear to cover edges & corners. Entirely commensurate with age."

eil.com listing: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=325881

Hello !
Finally getting around to adding my two pence worth. I have Joy Division number #403
Bought at small wonder records, Pete Stennet, Walthamstow E17 Roughly 7 GGP I think

"My mate and I made the short trip to from his house in Rochdale to Bury in his beaten up Volkswagen Scirocco. We didn't have tickets for the Derby Hall gig but made the trip anyway in the hope that we could find someone with spare ones outside the venue.

Once we got there, we asked around for tickets...but there were none forthcoming. After a couple of pints in the pub around the corner, undeterred, we decided to hang around on the off chance that some tickets would turn up. After about half an hour, the side door of the Derby Hall opened and one Mr Peter Hook came out...ostensibly for a bit of fresh air. Obviously, when me and my mate saw him, we approached our hero and starting talking to him!!!! We told him our predicament and he seemed sympathetic. We then got on to the subject of records and we asked him about the new album etc etc. We also discussed the Sordide Sentimental release which was a sore subject for me...My mate had two copies which one of his relatives had bought for him whilst on holiday in France and he absolutely refused to sell me one despite my frequent pleas. I told Hooky this and he came up with a proposal!!! He told my mate that if he agreed to sell me one of the Sordide Sentimentals then he would get us both in free to the gig!!! Reluctantly...my mate agreed and Hooky got us in!!! (I still have the copy today!!!)."

Perhaps "had", as it seems to have been listed on 991.com/eil.com: http://991.com/buy/productinformation.aspx?StockNumber=98529 http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=98529

Got it off eBay from lovely bloke who was off to Australia. He had bought it at rough trade when it first came out. He was told to buy two but only could afford one.....he regretted that decision!

I will never sell my copy. May even try to get another.

My daughter's will inherit! And they will probably sell it then."

Pictures of his copy are here:
http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/ss33002_512_1.jpg http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/ss33002_512_2.jpg

Was re-auctioned on eBay, ending 2017-10-16 for GBP 510. ('3403davidd'). See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-7-Vinyl-single-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-/282688027157?hash=item41d184fa15:g:LjgAAOSwQiBZ28VY

Seller's mention of "0532" in the description is in error, according to him.

I remember buying my copy around March 1980 and bunking off school to do so with my mate Jodi who also bought one (no idea what number he had unfortunately). I knew Pete was getting this in so I'm pretty certain I got in there sharpish.

Thanks for the link to the interview with Pete as well; brought back so many memories of Pete and the shop; Colin Faver who worked in the shop - shit hot DJ (who I met on the rave scene years later and couldnt believe he was the 'old' hippy from SW!!). cadging badges off Pete (if he was in a good mood)....probabbly need to post these memories on another site....

If i can ever work out how to upload photos on this site i'll post photos of my copy of Sordide Sentimental and my JD gig tickets if anyones interested."

"In 1980, with much regret, still, I sold all of my extensive record collection. The only thing I held on to were my copies of Joy Division.

I have an original copy of the Sordide Sentimental Fractured Music number 639 ss 33002, if you are still keeping your list going.

"This auction features an original edition pressing of Joy Division Licht Und Blindheit on Sordide Sentimental. This is an original edition pressing with the outer sleeve and inner booklet in good condition. Both have some creasing. The vinyl is damaged/broken from having been stepped on. Yes, it's true. It's a very sad story." photo of damaged record: https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/105579647_3408790762472439_1469013812566594798_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=PZswJOM6HSEAX_i6u8b&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=bb55d08c5eb491254c5afc5ffc6d58d7&oe=5F19920E

"This message concerns the whereabouts of Sordide singles you have catalogued at this site. I have #642 given to me by my friend Scott Piering at the Rough Trade shop at Portobello Rd. London where he held the position of promoter(?). It's in the labeled plastic bag and has all of the paraphernalia included (none of which has faded, colored or come loose) it also came with the Sordide fold up advertising b/w poster (pic of Genesis kissing Cosi, pic of Ian at mic, pic of nudie in tub!) One more fer yer list..... yep, johnC". This copy is now on sale at Discogs for USD 2500: http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit/123763912?ev=bp_rel_det Sold on 2015-05-22 for $2000, which is what it sold for back in 2015.

"Probably never been played. Looks perfect. Ltd 675/1578.Very slight wear to foldout record sleeve corners. Free P/P with insurance." Sold on 2016-02-03 for $1,110.62.

Saw the list online with whereabouts of 'Licht und Blindheit' copies. My copy has the number 678.

I saw Joy Division play when I was in London on holiday in the summer of '79 (Prince Of Wales Conference Centre).

I bought the ticket at Small Wonder Records (Walthamstow). According to the guy delivering the tickets there (while I was there too) the batch he delivered was the first batch of all tickets for this show. I bought the first one.

In January '80, Joy Division played at the Doornroosje venue in my home-town Nijmegen, The Netherlands. I was one of the volunteers working at this venue (400 capacity youth centre / concert hall) and the one on the phone the most with booking agents and bands, so I probably negotiated the deal (on behalf of the team of volunteers I was member of). The band's manager Rob Gretton was also there and we met. In March '80, Licht und Blindheit was released, and one of my colleagues in the volunteers-group at Doornroosje bought a copy at record shop Bullit in Eindhoven. I was unable to find a copy for sale. Then I called Rob Gretton, also for a chat, and when I asked him about L&B, he said he still had two copies. He double-checked my (PO Box) address with me, but did not promise or announce anything. About a week later I saw an LP-cardboard-envelope in my PO Box, and got really nervous. Is it maybe ... ??

It was one of those old-fashioned U.K.-style LP-cardboard-envelopes: one layer, no corrugated layer, open on one side only when ready for use. And it looked scary: it was bent, and fitted into the not-very-wide PO Box. 'Hope nothing is broken', I thought.

The sender was indeed Rob Gretton!

I opened the envelope rather impatiently tearing it open top-to-bottom, the part that was folded over. After that I realised this might have been very stupid! But... no worries, L&B was in perfect condition!

'Dead Souls' to this day is my favourite Joy Division song.

Comment is from https://www.discogs.com/master/view/54032 "Mine is number 681. I know it's legit because Rob Gretton gave it to me in 1980 at a gig we were doing. I played in a band called Tora Tora. We got Martin Hannet to produce our first single at Cargo Studio in Rochdale." (DerekDomino01 2019-06-16)

"Very rare Joy Division single given to me by Rob Gretton himself so it's the real thing. It's been in a cupboard for 39 years. The vinyl has never been played. The number is 000681 of 1578 pressed. Glue has detached slightly from where the vinyl is stored, & very slight wear on the bottom of the sleeve. Apart from that it is in excellent condition."

Also on Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1228955580?ev=bp_det

Hi,
Stumbled upon your list and thought that I could share the one I have with you, hoping it is a "real" one. It is currently living in Sundbyberg, Stockholm, Sweden since 201606.

It has the serration around the label on the vinyl, it has the inserts and matrix numbers are hand written and the glue is brown. However mine has a plastic bag with the Sordide Sentimental logo... The number is 000685.

I bought it back in 2001606 from Giovanni Corbari from Ravenna who I also bought the 12" An Ideal for Living from before this one. I found him on Discogs, https://www.discogs.com/user/giomusics, where he at least advertised the 12". I don't remember if the hat the Sordide Sentimental on there as well. I paid 1200 EUR for the 7". I asked him how he had obtained these records and he told me the following story:

---------------story------------------

story of this bunch of this lps, Joy Division included happened in march, a man call me by phone and told me that he has 100 lp old. i went to his house and i saw all records original, from 1977 to 1982, all UK pressing of course i was really interest to buy, but this man told me another story, he works for the original owner, this man is italian but in '80 years worked in England and love post punk, industrial and experiment music. so, the man that i met worked as bricklayer, and repair years ago the roof of the original owner lp. but at end works don't have money to pay, and give the records to him.

so it ask me 8000 euro (cost of roof repair), but i told him it was too much for 100 lps. after that he sold me the records for a acceptable price.

when i've checked carefully the lp i saw it was all original pressing, and some are rare like this lp and and another one, a 7" of Joy division original first press on sordide sentimental label, a numbered edition with all insert included, i've also another Joy 2 lp, still in different hard cover, plus many other of small but interest british group.

it was really a nice and rare lps, but unfortunately for the original owner that like this music but exchanged for a work in his house.

--------------end-of-story----------

Hoping that this might be useful for your list.

Photos - https://photos.app.goo.gl/zT2rJJBXqdkuFZj16

"JOY DIVISION "ATMOSPHERE" & "DEAD SOULS" ON THE LABEL SORDIDE SENTIMENTAL SS 33002 NUMERED ORIGINAL ISSUE 750/1578 . THIS IS MY LAST SPARE COPY, I BOUGHT 10 COPIES WHEN IT CAME OUT AND THIS IS THE LAST COPY I HAVE ON SALE."

UPDATE

Thought would like an update on post #298 from 3 Jan 2015 (see page 12). You'll see my story about getting hold of the cover only (aaargh!) for no. 835.

Well, since buying this from a car boot (aka flea market / yard sale) in the summer of 2013 I have spent the last 5 years looking for the 7" to go with it.

I can now happily report that a single only listing came up on ebay at the end of March and I was successful in my bid. What about the inserts I hear you cry, well my brother (see post #348) very kindly let me make copies of his.

Aah, my life is complete.

Hello

I discover your site and the list you maintain of all the Sordide Sentimental Joy Division single copies.

Mine is number 875. I don't see it our your list.

I bought it, on ebay I think, in september 2013 (I have kept the stamped cardboard envelope). I don't remember how much exactly I paid it, something around $700.

For the anecdote, it took about four months to travel from California to France. Some kind of a stress. The 1979/1980 actual price was 24 french francs, which was around 4 EUR at the birth of euros. Someting like $5.

No. 875 is now in Brittany, not so far from its original birth place in Normandy (Rouen).

"This hghly collectible item is in VG+ condition, and was probably only played 3 or 4 times." carlota posted to JDC on 2010-06-14 confirming it.

"Beware of bootlegs....this is the original! This was purchased by Punk DJ Mike R. in 1980 at Chicago's Wax Trax records. The owner of Wax Trax, Mr.Jim Nash, told Mike to buy this 45...he said it would be worth a lot some day.... Indeed!"

"I never thought I'd sell this, but economic times are bad and I need to get some much needed music gear for some upcoming traveling gigs."

lelebi (JDC): "[1074] sold on Tuesday 13/12 at one Drouot's auction on line: https://www.gazette-drouot.com/lots/20004216-pop-80-2f90-s price was EUR1.100 +27% +1,8% = 28,8% to be paid to the auction house, so the buyer should pay EUR 1.416,80 in total."

"I bought it in 1979 in a record dealer underground "open market" with bets close to the odéon in Paris.

"I have owned this since purchased on its release, from mail order company." Owner is in Newton Aycliffe.

eBay 2013-04-02 USD 810 See: http://www.popsike.com/Sordide-Sentimental-45-Book-JOY-DIVISION-Atmosphere-OG-Import-Ltd-Ed-001164/171011998418.html

Unsold, so relisted for USD 780.73 (CND 1000): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-LP-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIGINAL-RARE/152759070618?hash=item2391266f9a:g:RxkAAOSwn~ZZb9pf

And listed again: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-LP-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIGINAL-RARE-/152741196561?nma=true&si=4URRpruc%252F32ruBEkaF1IvqIHe7k%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

"BOUGHT FROM THE ROUGH TRADE SHOP IN 1979, THIS IS ORIGINAL AND GENUINE."

I've had this since the mid to late 1980's and I think I paid about £75 for it back in the day. The same price I paid for my An Ideal For Living 7".

It was one of the first things I saved up for when I left school and started my first job. It's got the inserts and is in the plastic sleeve. The strange thing is that the plastic sleeve has the Sordide Sentimental logo printed on it. I read that it shouldn't have the logo on it ... but it does ... and it's definitely genuine. It's all proved to be correct by the usual stuff, including the aged glue, etc.

I love it as much as a piece of artwork as I do for it's music, although I only played the disc a couple of times, as it was (and still is) so beautiful."

eil.com listing: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=228404

'Recoil19' claims to have purchased this, and presumably will provide proof if contacted.

"THIS IS A GUARANTEED ORIGINAL FROM A PRIVATE COLLECTION BOUGHT IN FRANCE AND POSSIBLY NEVER PLAYED APART FROM RECENT PLAY TO TEST THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES AND IT PLAYS PERFECTLY.

THE COVER IS IN PERFECT CONDITION AS IS THE CLEAR SLEEVE HOUSING THE RECORD WHICH IS STILL CONNECTED TO THE INSIDE OF THE SLEEVE (SEE PICS ENCLOSED )"

"I have owned this record from new, purchased in 1980 (I think!)."

"Mine was 1211. I sold it years ago for £25 to pay a bill of my ex. The bitch!"

"This has been in my possession since the early 1980s."

Looks like it's doing the rounds again (as of 2007-06-25), being sold by a '123mayal' now. Went for 432 GBP.

This one is number 1257. It's all in reasonable nick, just a bit of wear around the edges and the usual browning where the glue went. It's also sadly missing the inserts, but the vinyl is in really nice condition. I've attached a pic of the numbered page, and let me know if you want to see any more.

Good luck in your hunt!"

A picture of his copy is here: http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/ss33002_1257.jpg

"Both inserts included. Foldout cover in great shape". Sold for $695.48 on 2016-09-05.

JDC, 'slumpy' notes that "Odd that #1286 has managed to acquire a missing card insert since 2008... http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ORIGINAL/170254636062.htmlhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111172788431?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649"

JDC, 'truth' adds "Yes, and it has also acquired one of the plastic bags taken from one of the recent bootleg editions. You can just see the square around the logo as it was printed on a sticker and stuck to a plain bag. This is unlike the original logo which was printed directly onto the bag. So definitely NOT 100% original as he says."

"This is a very nice copy of one of the rarest of all Joy Division collectables. It isn't one of the later bootleg represses; it's an original 1979 issue, given to me by a member of Rob Gretton's family..."

"This has been in my possession since it was released. It was a gift from a work associate of Jean Pierre Turmel, but not being a fan of the band I never desired to play it."

Relisted 2013-01-13 for GBP 600: ('sidraven' again) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Mega-Rare-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-SS33002-/290843627730?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

"Sleeve has slight bunching on back due to age, but is otherwise in fantastic shape. All original pieces included. Record is absolutely NM. Selling on behalf of original owner who does not have a Discogs profile."

"Bought from Rough Trade records in the Notting Hill area of London by a student in the late 70s/early 80's and owned by the same owner, till just recently, as a result this record and sleeve and the seperate translation are all in Great Condition.

The record is number 1,394 out of the 1,578 produced, and it has been played probably about six or seven times in it's life time."

"Original issue # 001408. All inserts included. 2 or 3 times played. Minimal noise at fade in. Cover bottom right corner minimal creased. photos"

(buyer: 'DavidW', JDC handle)

Apparently, the original buyer didn't go through with the transaction, so this ended up getting relisted.

Another one that got relisted. According to Jeb, he sold his copy back in 2007.

Relisted on Discogs by 'alekosp', for GBP 850. http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/294842406

"Incredibly scarce 1st pressing. Stamped as Number 001511 of 1578. Vinyl is VG+, very clean with only a couple of very light surface marks visible under bright grading lights. Labels are clean. The glue on the Vellum pocket is starting to go at the top left corner (to about 2" down) and at the bottom in the usual spot from the weight of the record. The textured sleeve is in overall good shape but there is some wear. The front has a couple of handing dents and the 7" was stored inside of the sleeve so the back has puffed up a bit around where the record was. This has resulted in some overall bending of the back sleeve. The bottom left corner has a ding and there is minor wear to the other corners. It honestly blends in and isn't that noticeable when looking at it as a whole, but please see the photos- they have been lit to hopefully accurately bring out the flaws. The 7" is housed in it's original thin plastic sleeve but there is no outer thin plastic sleeve. This one was stored in a folded standard plastic LP sleeve (with the original purchase sticker on it). Includes both original inserts. The Gesamtkunstwerk insert has very minor handling wear and the Licht Und Blindheit booklet has some light bending at the upper right. Please be in touch if you have any additional questions."

On 2016-06-06, DaveC on the JDC message boards indicated he purchased the above.

"My ones got beer,red wine and spagetti allover it and bits av bin torn off the cover for roaches, does that make it worth more or less? Its in good nick, as it goes, 1512. I dont remember how I got it...sent off for it after seeing it advertized in NME, maybe?"

updated 2016-05-05: "I still have 1512. Record in very good condition I played it a few times when I first got it direct from SS by post. Sleeve in good condition, It's got that kind of bulge in the back that I've seen described a few times., the front of the sleeve is in very good condition. The glue on the inside is brown and came loose on the lower seem so I stuck a bit of sellotape there ages ago. It has the white translation sheet but not the blue paper, or a plastic bag. Anyway I'm thinking about selling it, but can't be arsed with ebay ect. If anyone is intrested message me, but just so you know you'll have to pick It up from me in Stockholm."

Also being sold via Discogs? https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1255548921?ev=bp_det

I'm from Birmingham UK and bought the L&B single direct from SS in France when it first came out but unfortunately can't remember the number. A couple of years later I was poor enough that I needed to sell my copy (I still regret it now), advertised it at the back of the NME & ended up meeting a girl from Coventry in Brum centre who bought my copy for 50GBP to give to her boyfriend as a present.

Just putting this here in case the story jogs any memories. Meanwhile this brilliant thread has prompted me to try and get in touch with with J-PT with the hope that he kept records of who who he sold them too. Probably not but here's hoping.

All the very best with tracking down all the other copies, a noble quest indeed.

Take care,

Stephan

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In addition, there is the following disposition of copies listed on p.161 of '1 Top Class Manager', as follows:

Band 5x2:        10
Twinny:           1
Terry:            1
Jon Savage:       4 (3 America)
Tony Wilson:      1
Alan Erasmus:     1
Martin:           2
Chris:            1
John Brierley:    1
Neil Spencer:     1
Richard Williams: 1
Alf Martin:       1
Alan Lewis:       1
Paul Morley:      1
Max Bell:         1
Paul Rambali:     1
Angus MacKinnon:  1
Chris Bohn:       1
Steve Taylor:     1
Giovanni Dadomo:  1
Robbi Millar:     1